Joined on October 9, 2007 at 7:10 PM Left on October 9, 2007 at 7:11 PM Joined on October 9, 2007 at 7:12 PM Jim D: hi cheryl! JoseR: Sound great Me: Hey Jim dave cormier: immigrant/native is a myth Kristin Hokanson: ME TOO Steve Dembo: I think it used to be more true. Technology keeps lowering the barrier to entry. Me: How can I get placed into a room? Steve Dembo: You already are! Steve Dembo: Welcome to room 8 Cheri Toledo (drctedd): immigrant/native is a trend, not a dichotomy - we tend to trend toward one approach in some things and another approach at other times Me: ahhhhh It's been a loooonggg day dave cormier: cheri... can you flush out that idea? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): I am going to bring you back in 3 minutes Hala: No dave cormier: We're what?!? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): MESSAGE ALERT Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): I AM GOING TO BRING EVERYONE BACK IN ABOUT 3 MIN Hala: It will be recorded Cheri Toledo (drctedd): the recofder is on at the bottom of the screen PeggyG: I'm a recently retired university professor and previous elementary principal for 25 years-- DeeM: I see it in the chat John: Thanks Cheri Toledo (drctedd): we're back with the big group bobsprankle: thanks Kristin Hokanson: oops Dave (ESLetc.com): thanks! Christine Southard: I think we're back Steve Dembo: that was a quick three minutes! dave cormier: oh noez! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): hey we're back cheryloakes: Bye room 1 JaniceStearns: Hi Everyone jenniferwagner: and we are BACK dave cormier: bye room! Laura Deisley-USA: looks like we're being pulled back in? Cheri Toledo (drctedd): bye room 8 Moderator (Wesley Fryer): bye room 6! cheryloakes: Hi Kristin!!!, Durff Kristin Hokanson: WHOA that was a quick trip back Christine Southard: That was quick AnneV: Hey, Hi Kristin! Steve Dembo: Room 8 was by far the best. Lisa M Lane: fastest three minues on record DavidJakes: Did you talk the entire time, Dembo? angelesb: welcome again mrsdurff: hi cheryl Kip Leland: We're back Frank Miracola: Room 2 Carolyn Foote: lol, steve bobsprankle: Steve Dembo: dave cormier: ROOM 8 cheryloakes: Room 1 Rocks! jenniferwagner: ROOM SIX RULES Susanvg: Hi Cheryl L Moderator (Wesley Fryer): nice job Sheryl, that was a good way to start Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Room 8 Rocks! chris.betcher: Sorry Susan... dropped back Christine Southard: Unusual, but exciting Knowclue: room 6 rocked Nancy Scofield: Room 8 RULES! Kristin Hokanson: ROOM 8 ROCKED BrianC Smith: Cool feature. cheryloakes: Hi Susanvg Me: Hi Susan angelesb: room 4 rules Neil Winton: Room 6 went up to 11! Me: Room 8 rocked BrianC Smith: Lots of Admins in room 2 GREAT!!! Carolyn Foote: I'm afraid if I click on the eraser I'll eraase the whole graphic Frank Miracola: Fun fun fun in too, to room 2 jenniferwagner: be brave CAROLYN LisaParisi: Hello everyone John Blake: BOOOO! JaniceStearns: cheryloakes: Doug S. goggles are needed! Vian Oklahoma: aaahhh John Blake: hehe PeggyG: Much better intro than last year's where we spent about 20-30 min introducing ourselves Kristin Hokanson: up to 94 folks in the Elluminate room FANTASTIC Carolyn Foote: lol, Jen Susanvg: Hey Lisa Cathy Nelson in SC: da-vid Cathy Nelson in SC: da-vid Christine Southard: Hi LIsa P - Long time no see Doug Symington: too true Cheryl BrianC Smith: Yo Wes!! Moderator (David Warlick): He'y lying! Nancy Scofield: Da-vid Da-vid Da-vid jenniferwagner: WOOO HOOO WARLICK -- we HEART you!! Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): SMILE Vian Oklahoma: he ehe heh dave cormier: doug symington DavidJakes: I met David the first time in an elevator in New York BrianC Smith: Love back channeling Carolyn Foote: lubbock..whoo hoo bobsprankle: mrsdurff: calm down jen Cathy Nelson in SC: hi dave!! demetri: hi brad Cathy Nelson in SC: wave jenniferwagner: LOL Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): bRAD LET'S GIVE dAVID THE CAMERA OK? cheryloakes: hi brad Carolyn Foote: I think all of you on videos should wear different hats John Blake: Hey BradDav Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): sorry Carolyn Foote: to honor david's son's video John Blake: we see you Doug Symington: Hey Dave C -- whatup? BrianC Smith: Still haven't met David Warlick, but I know Jakes (a little) barbara.barreda: Hi Clarence Steve Dembo: Out of curiosity... How many of you is this your first live webinar for? Frank Miracola: brad I see your video jenniferwagner: David looks much different Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): There he is! DavidJakes: hey there he is Cathy Nelson in SC: great idea Carolyn Laura Deisley-USA: my first jenniferwagner: WAVE DAVID Carolyn Foote: There's David! demetri: hi david! Frank Miracola: there is david Vian Oklahoma: I got my truck stuck in a Blog Knowclue: LOL Peter Goetz: First time! DavidJakes: have a filet for you when you are ready arthus: Hi David jenniferwagner: and poof he is gone Frank Miracola: where did david go Kristin Hokanson: totally agree...reflective, thoughtful, and exploring change Steve Dembo: He looks naked without a Starbucks cup next to him. Kristin Hokanson: WHOOOO HOOOOO Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): DAvid Warlick ... the man of the hour! John Blake: 95 participants Dave! PeggyG: Hi David JoseR: Great Me: David is doing puppet shows on video BradMDav: good thing I changed my shirt then Christine Southard: Welcome David cheryloakes: good evening and good day! jimwenz: Thanks for your time, David BrianC Smith: Big wOOt when we reach 100! Carolyn Foote: I can't see David Kristin Hokanson: me neither cfisher: Made it. Hello all jenniferwagner: he stopped video Lisa M Lane: like that country song: these are my people mrsdurff: he's shy Moderator (Wesley Fryer): hi clarence! jenniferwagner: he will get it going again -- no worries Susanvg: no video window John Blake: David turn on the video camera haha Me: Hi Jen how are you? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): he closed it Steve Dembo: Great game Cathy Nelson in SC: so did mine Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): David closed it Christine Southard: What system is Halo on? JoseR: Hi LAUSD Folk Cathy Nelson in SC: so has mine jenniferwagner: Hi Cheryl -- life is good -- look who we are ALL with!!! John Blake: Halo who? LisaParisi: What happened to David's video? Steve Dembo: Xbox 360 Christine Southard: AOK BradMDav: where did the video go? JaniceStearns: HI Jose. Great you are here Steve: Half life 2 is better! Me: I see Jen woohoo Kristin Hokanson: and many of us are multitasking as we are here Laura Deisley-USA: video cheryloakes: Hi JenW, this is great, I could never do WOW with this many. Kevin Jarrett: me2 demetri: yes Cathy Nelson in SC: pc? Kevin Jarrett: yes Lisa M Lane: you are exceptional! Nancy Scofield: yes! Kristin Hokanson: yep Stephanie Sandifer: Yes -- look at who is in here! Amazing... anyone checking roll? DavidJakes: correct mrsdurff: yes cheryloakes: David you are exceptional Sarah: yes SimonSays: yes Cheri Toledo (drctedd): yes Cathy Nelson in SC: yes Suzie Vesper: yes Christine Southard: We can hear u DeeM: yup BrianC Smith: Yes Midge Frazel: Yes Peter Goetz: yes jgarton: does the audio sound like...chipmunks to anyone else? Clay Burell: yes bobsprankle: david is an exception John: Yes jimwenz: yes jenniferwagner: Cheryl -- I will RUSH home -- be on WOW as soon as I can DavidJakes: Hey Kevin Cathy Nelson in SC: pc? Vinnie Vrotny: jenniger, sure you can Me: Cheryl I bet you four could Doug Symington: audio good here Moderator (Wesley Fryer): we can hear you great david! Cathy Nelson in SC: good cover! JoseR: good audio Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): hahaha John Blake: haha Cathy Nelson in SC: LOL bobsprankle: lol Lisa M Lane: you can save chat using File above Stephanie Sandifer: lol Christine Southard: You are such a super moderator Sheryl John Blake: ROTF BrianC Smith: Elluminate LipSyncing with Brad & David Laura Deisley-USA: I agree--sheryl is great arthus: great book LisaParisi: Love the series Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): Hi Laura AnneV: I love that book Suzie Vesper: I loved that book mrsdurff: oh yeah - title of book? Youssef Elias: I just read that book, cool John Howell: what was the book again arthus: Ender's Game John Blake: URL? AnneV: Ender's Game Midge Frazel: I've read that! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): I am adding enders game to my reading list, haven't read it yet Steve: I READ THAT BOOK Steve Dembo: Are you telling me that Halo 3 is REAL??? arthus: Orson Scott Card LisaParisi: Is there any video going on now? mrsdurff: title? Vian Oklahoma: give us a link to this video+++++++ Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Just added it to my reading list. Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): no video John Blake: to book BradMDav: Great Book Clay Burell: my 9th graders loved the book. haven't read it. Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): David is talking and showing slides Lisa M Lane: no vid at the moment mrsdurff: title? Cathy Nelson in SC: awesome book cheryloakes: Steve, thanks for your help today, all set and ready to upload. Me: Ender's Game? sounds interesting arthus: I love the whole series Steve Dembo: Great Cheryl! Magi: Awesome book; I'm part of another organization that has worked to get the book used in schools. mrsdurff: thankyou cheryl arthus: great scifi/psycology Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): That's playing with boundaries. LisaParisi: My daughter is reading the series now. PeggyG: I didn't think of it as a military analogy but a gaming illustration to show us how much kids are learning through gaming. liz davis: It is a series JaniceStearns: David appealed even to my son by correlating learning to Ender's game Susanvg: Hi Christiane Moderator (Wesley Fryer): i am thinking our schools are posing a lot of boundaries for web 2.0 use tho... Marie Coleman: I like the take on "reinventing boundaries" Cathy Nelson in SC: yes wes BradMDav: Orson Scott Card Magi: Uh, yea, they are, Wes. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): the minds of our school board members are boundaries Cathy Nelson in SC: oh do we teacher lib know boundaries Lisa M Lane: their boundaries are in their minds Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): They don't appreciate the possibilities. bobsprankle: oh yeah, wes John: Wesley Amen Christine Southard: Hi Susan Vian Oklahoma: Bush built a fence on our boundary arthus: their boundaries are in their minds and in our firewalls PeggyG: I think we are sometimes our own limiting boundaries! Loretta: I can't search google images or right click!!! Lisa M Lane: We always had people. Susanvg: The IT department often are boundaries Laura Deisley-USA: I think his point today about needing to create and define new boundaries given the "loss of boundaries" was an important statement LisaParisi: Wow...chat moves quickly here Cathy Nelson in SC: ouch loretta Nancy Scofield: IT is our boundary! Christine Southard: Super quick Moderator (Wesley Fryer): Loretta that is a VERY tangible boundary! Cathy Nelson in SC: my boundaries are clear and blocked Steve: End of enders game is a shocker. Have to read the book. JoseR: We all creaters of content Lisa M Lane: LisaP, that's 'cause there's so many in the room! Me: I feel ADD here with this chat spinning cheryloakes: 99 participants, go one more! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): no right click, wow AmyKenyon: Our IT is wonderful!! I'm so lucky! mrsdurff: susanvg - interesting DavidJakes: is it information or is it the ability to connect in networks Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): you can enlarge your screen w/ view layouts BrianC Smith: Ignorance is a boundary... must educate more teachers! arthus: we do have lots of boundaries of IT Marie Coleman: I agree with you PeggyG - sometimes we put alot of limits on ourselvesQ Cathy Nelson in SC: our it is SCASRED GeorgiaConstanti: IT is our boundary but it allows our minds boundaries to expand ... so our boundaries have changed Lisa M Lane: Steve, no spoilers please! Carolyn Foote: right, BrianC barbara.barreda: networks are our information dianemc: I have to learn and teach this! JoseR: boundaries are self imposed chris.betcher: I had a Skype chat with a district administrator last night from cape cod and he was really quite forward thinking... maybe things are starting to change Wes... LisaParisi: Wow..thanks Sheryl. Magi: Not only do we need to educate teachers, we need to educate our administrators that control access to tools. Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): View layout will give you a larger chat window Stephanie Sandifer: I find myself frustrated with teachers who lament that kids today are lazy and don't want to learn... but they DO want to learn and they enjoy learning -- when the learning environment is engaging and relevant... THAT doesn't even require tech (but it helps) Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): welcome Steve Dembo: http://www.amazon.com/Enders-Game-Ender-Book-1/dp/0812550706/ref=pd_bbs_2/105-8176140-0914015?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191972064&sr=8-2 Christine Southard: Layout changes everything Me: Thanks that helped Me: virtual ritalin John Blake: Thanks Steve! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): traditional school has focused on information, but david is right, the focus on OVERWHELMING quantities of info is new Frank Miracola: thanks steve Christine Southard: I think I will try to borrow the book from my friend again. Steve Dembo: Wow, that was a much longer url than I thought it would be. Carolyn Foote: Good point Steph JaniceStearns: Thanks for layout ti[ arthus: It's a flat world... eh? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): smile at Steve LisaParisi: I PeggyG: That's why I liked David's final comments about not being afraid. We need to test our own personal boundaries rather than just thinking it's caused by someone else. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): David J is wondering about focusing on CONNECTIONS more than INFORMATION GeorgiaConstanti: Policy makers will always be behind as the boundaries keep them in control. LisaParisi: IDK Christine..it's in the library now being passed around the clas Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): I loved what he said about watching his father LisaParisi: class arthus: I'm more litterate than my teachers Cathy Nelson in SC: me to sheryl mrsdurff: digitally literate yes Neil Winton: Why does david sound as though he's on helium? Christine Southard: LOL Carolyn Foote: hi Arthus Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes Peggy, I loved the story about "we are not afraid" too BrianC Smith: My stepson won't "work" for a teacher that doesn't engage him intellectual. Absolutely refuses to do any of the tedious, unrelated work. Cathy Nelson in SC: nerves? arthus: after all... i'm in this chat and they aren't Laura Deisley-USA: I did too...and the fact that his son won't be looking at his father, or our children at us, in the same way arthus: hi Carolyn Lisa M Lane: Neil, your audio is being cached I think. Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): that happens when your packets of information need to catch up jeff whipple: remind me to thank my district IS guys tomorrow...despite our differences in vision, they are nowheer near as obstructionist as what I am reading here... bobsprankle: neil... starbucks? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): there will be pause Neil Winton: Now I've lost audio completely... Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): then nothing drops John: We discussed the value of YouTube for education at school today. Cathy Nelson in SC: lol Bob Moderator (Wesley Fryer): Neil, we fedexed some helium to david prior to this session barbara.barreda: I am still not sure ALL kids are more info literate SimonSays: sage on the stage or guide on the side? Doug Symington: afk Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): instead there will be a catch up of his words Me: lots of starbucks! Carolyn Foote: lol, WES GeorgiaConstanti: The same change we are seeing in classrooms would need to happen at policy levels. arthus: but the teachers cant seem to see that they arent on a hill anymore DavidJakes: I can act individually with information but its nowhere near the experience if I work with that same information in a network of people. Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): but it sounds cartoonish bobsprankle: lol, wes Lisa M Lane: barbara, they aren't Steve Dembo: @georgiaconstanti I disagree. Polcy's simply need to be more accomodating. Things don't move in 5 year plans anymore. John Blake: So we will be able to get a copy of the chat's audio or just text? mrsdurff: wes - behave Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): yes both Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): you can save the chat John Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): file save cheryloakes: we have 100!!! chris.betcher: I'm recording the Audio Jim D: Just hit 100! Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): and we are recording BrianC Smith: wOOt!!!! Nancy Scofield: Woot woot! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): i think you are right barbara b: we make assumptions about info literacy of kids that are often NOT right Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): there will be a video and audio archive Cathy Nelson in SC: smile everyone AmyKenyon: WOOT! Carolyn Foote: one problem our IS departments are having is that things are changing so fast Me: woohooo100! Lisa M Lane: @Steve, we just rewrote our tech plan around ideas instead of tasks dianemc: who will decide the content? John Blake: ok Chris Carolyn Foote: they can't make decisions ahead of the changes Midge Frazel: wOOt Magi: (And Hello, since I didn't say that) Cathy Nelson in SC: IT won't keep up BrianC Smith: And counting... Vinnie Vrotny: way to go amy, woot! Christine Southard: 102! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): we all need help processing change, esp since it is so fast! Cathy Nelson in SC: but blogs are written in our standards now in SC Kristin Hokanson: Ignorance is a boundary... must educate more teachers! BRIAN GREAT POINT Marie Coleman: But change will continue to move fast PeggyG: Kids may not all be more information literate but they are actively engaged in social networking. That's why I think David said we need to provide the traction and learning to help them learn to teach themselves. AmyKenyon: this all goes too fast for me Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): intellectual capital will be the value Moderator (Wesley Fryer): that point David is addressing is the ATTENTION ECONOMY LisaParisi: Wes...that's what's great about all of this...this is the help we need Peter Goetz: Lisa M Lane, would you be able to share your tech plan about ideas? BrianC Smith: relearn, unlearn & Learn Carolyn Foote: Our IS department was pointing out that their own jobs are now 24/7 Stephanie Sandifer: info literacy of kids -- I agree... they are comfortable -- but don't yet understand things that we think are basic -- like having a professional email address Marie Coleman: how will we cope with that change? Laura Deisley-USA: That is a huge statement! Yes--the network not the content ownership Christine Southard: Educators can't be afraid to right/click Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): developing people John: Really Cathy? I have not heard about the blogs. Cathy Nelson in SC: and we can't function w/o our network Magi: I'm not at all sure I understand the issues my district has, because we were given Audacity and encouraged to podcast last year. Cathy Nelson in SC: Really John Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): and that is done through VLCs BrianC Smith: Right on Carolyn. Cathy Nelson in SC: ELA dianemc: this is tough medium for slow thinkers/typists BrianC Smith: This is what I do. Dave (ESLetc.com): it is SO different here in China... Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes lisa, isn't it amazing we can connect with each other without any district's permission or program? arthus: It's the company with best technology Carolyn Foote: BrianC, yet I bet you have the same staff Carolyn Foote: as before bobsprankle: learning engine Marie Coleman: adaptation is key Lisa M Lane: Peter, it's our college's new tech plan, it's on the web -- I'll pvt you Kristin Hokanson: But we need to HELP teachers to DO this Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): trend is on developing human capitial Cathy Nelson in SC: WEs twitter was blocked yesterday! Marie Coleman: that and lifelong learning Carolyn Foote: so they are saying they are just strapped for people John: Cathy, what level? BrianC Smith: not all, Carolyn. Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): in our schools and students jimwenz: It is about eyes and visits. The same in the classroom. About eyes and ears. Peter Goetz: Lisa, thanks! arthus: Such as me... Cathy Nelson in SC: can't recall off top DavidJakes: Learning engine = network mrsdurff: learning engine...hmmm Christine Southard: learning engine with differentiated instruction for ALL learners Moderator (Wesley Fryer): measurement of the outcomes of the learning engine are still important, but those measurements can't be traditional Carolyn Foote: arthus you are a student with Mr. Burell, right? dianemc: Gravity's driving me - but I'm still ahead of many of my students! Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): @DavidJakes Right On!@ John: I'll look it up later, thanks. arthus: No.. I'm not Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): yes Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): yes Carolyn Foote: yes we can PeggyG: Yes Christine Southard: Yes Cathy Nelson in SC: creativity is measured in a variety of way Suzie Vesper: yes LisaParisi: yes John Blake: cool mrsdurff: yes Lee Baber: We're there Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes we can see the slide jimwenz: yes Frank Miracola: yes arthus: I am not a student of anybody here Clay Burell: Info=savvy students, yes, David Christine Southard: This is so cool Frank Miracola: hello Jim Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): hi arthus BrianC Smith: Warlick is just rolling... arthus: well... not anyne you know Moderator (Wesley Fryer): creativity almost entirely defies traditional measurement methods arthus: Hi Sheryl Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): remember me? BradMDav: hi christine Moderator (Wesley Fryer): Irving has been 1:1 for 7 years arthus: 1-to-1 in a rural climate? interesting mrsdurff: we do sheryl Steve Dembo: @Wes quanitative ones at least. dianemc: hi clay, carolyn, cathy -diane here Christine Southard: Hi Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): hahah I meant did arthus remember Lisa mrsdurff: Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @dembo right: we need messier forms of assessment, authentic assessment Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): thanks for remembering though Cathy Nelson in SC: Hi Dianeh Joselyn Todd: Hard to assess W 2.0 using AD 1950 multiple choice Magi: Hm. How do you change slides? AnneV: But how do you all weed? I'm so distracted with all of this connected info flying at me Frank Miracola: Hello Laura Marie Coleman: very messy forms of assessment and measurement bobsprankle: yeah... i don't see it... Cathy Nelson in SC: or a scantron mrsdurff: learning is messy? Lisa M Lane: I like that, Wesley, messier assessment BrianC Smith: What is a logical amount of time for students to be on video games though? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): he changes the slides magi Moderator (Wesley Fryer): we can each recognize creativity, but we can't put that in a bar chart in the same way we can with test scores DianeHammond: Hi Cathy Nelson! arthus: an intrensic need to share Steve Dembo: @Wes Especially with the tools we have today. It really is becoming easier to do those. barbara.barreda: i like that phrase responsive information enviorment... is that adefinition for networks Kristin Hokanson: there is SUCH a digital divide...Irving 1:1 for 7 years...and some schools still don't have integrated tech lit curriculum greggl: hello from texas Christine Southard: Supervising toddler while reading chat - NOT EASY Moderator (Wesley Fryer): absolutely lisa durff! Carolyn Foote: Hi Gregg! Patrick Higgins: creativity is separate from artistic arthus: an intrensic need to be social Joselyn Todd: Higher education could help k-12 make assessment changes Stephanie Sandifer: HI Gregg! mrsdurff: think of the skills he learned and rehearsed Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes, opportunities to fail and learn! Magi: Okay, I don't think it worked, because I'm on the same one that I was on when I joined. AmyKenyon: You go, Christine! AmyKenyon: It DOES get easier when those toddlers grow up Moderator (Wesley Fryer): how do you see creativity different from being artistic, patrick? barbara.barreda: At Joselyn How? PeggyG: Is there a place for rubrics in this kind of authentic assessment? SimonSays: Christine Southard, I hear you, got a 4 yo and 2 yo here! Steve Dembo: For those of you in Early Childhood, what do you think Reggio Emilio would look like if applied to an elementary room tapped into the world of Web 2.0? Diana Laufenberg: I feel like getting into this chat is like doing double dutch... waiting, waiting... just go Patrick Higgins: Doug Johnson spoke about it the other day. Cathy Nelson in SC: i've been preaching it this week to LMS's Kristin Hokanson: I stayed at work so I didn't HAVE to deal with toddlers Lee Baber: We are chatting as we watch Jeff ustream this at Worldbridges... barbara.barreda: Yes to the rubrics BrianC Smith: How do we emphasize balance video games with real world expereinces? GeorgiaConstanti: I am finding it difficult to keep up with the chat and David talking .... Patrick Higgins: various forms of creativity Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): Kristin smile Neil Winton: Is the big question not how we should expand the choir? Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @patrick was that on doug's blog? i'll have to look dianemc: audio and text competing for my attention! Carolyn Foote: Good point, Neil Cathy Nelson in SC: i just want more buy in form admin, tchrs, and parents Carolyn Foote: We do have some NEWBIES here!! Christine Southard: . o (Appreciating the sympathy) Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): Georgia it is a 21st Century skill is it not? mrsdurff: yes it is neil arthus: how do we teach the choir? Moderator (Wesley Fryer): I think a big part of having a learning engine in the classroom is writing hyperlinked texts Joselyn Todd: If Higher Ed valued and accepted Web 2.0 creativity as entrance means this could drive k-12 assessment Patrick Higgins: @wes: it was. Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): hard at first arthus: what if you want to be in the choir... but can't "sing" very well Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): you can adjung your view and layoutst by changi GeorgiaConstanti: I feel really old. Lee Baber: Wish we could add our chat from there to this session in a little side bar! Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): Dont.. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): effectively writing hyperlinked texts is a measurable outcome of the learning engine classroom Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): We all had to adjust mrsdurff: i don't sing Carolyn Foote: arthus, just "join in" barbara.barreda: At Wes...yes but we need to do it or let the kids due it Cathy Nelson in SC: ther are other things to do in the choir--sound, lights, video , mixer arthus: an unpredictiable, global, dynamic world AnneV: It's the abundance that gets me - I want to read and talk about what *I'm* learning Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @patrick thanks. i'll look for that Clay Burell: @Stale: enjoyed chatting with you during keynote - hope to broaden the acquaintance! Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): yes Vinnie Vrotny: arthus, sing it loud and sing it loud! Neil Winton: If you can't sing well enough, you need a good teacher... that'll be us, then! jeff whipple: wes...i agree...been really focused on hyperlinked text this year... arthus: Definitelty! LisaParisi: @LeeBabar What other chat are you in? Steve Dembo: That's not exactly a new message though... What's different? Moderator (David Warlick): I'm not reading! Cathy Nelson in SC: tools Patrick Higgins: clay mentions multiple intel. as a means to express creativity bobsprankle: lol Carolyn Foote: "filters" lol Cathy Nelson in SC: tools? Steve Dembo: Need White board tools. jimwenz: What is the first steps we need to take to help students learn to learn? arthus: haha... very ADD BradMDav: is there video now? liz davis: It takes multiple intelligences to listen and read at the same time arthus: we need white board tools Lisa M Lane: tools, please? Carolyn Foote: Sheryl--need whiteboard TOOLS Clay Burell: "ADD on steroids" LOL Joselyn Todd: Information overload here but then thats how it goes Moderator (David Warlick): Oh good! Moderator (David Warlick): I'm major A.D.D. AnneV: As if my add tendencies needed any help... ack Cathy Nelson in SC: LOL Lisa M Lane: oh goody! Carolyn Foote: Yeah, tools! John Blake: ok Cathy Nelson in SC: yesma'am Moderator (David Warlick): Yikes! bobsprankle: lol Cathy Nelson in SC: brianc are you bragging? Lisa M Lane: I have *become* ADD since starting web 2.0 stuff. briangrenier: are you sure he didn't buy balloons beforehand? BrianC Smith: She's smart. BrianC Smith: that's laughing jgarton: the sound is good now arthus: Thats useful Carolyn Foote: There's david Cheri Toledo (drctedd): Me too Lisa Lane Christine Southard: He's BACK John Blake: yeah LisaParisi: Nice smile Cathy Nelson in SC: helium cheeks Stephanie Sandifer: lol mrsdurff: hi chipmunk! Susanvg: getting two voices John: Some of our teachers think I'm nuts with Web 2.0 Cathy Nelson in SC: me too Brian Lisa M Lane: John, yes, yes Cathy Nelson in SC: except ones in college in Chicago sylvia: digital doppler Carolyn Foote: Good point Brian!!! BradMDav: i am a gamer as well Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): susan are you logged on twice? Lisa M Lane: Can we change our chat text color? Stephanie Sandifer: I could see our students really thriving in an environment like this -- but I know it would drive most of my teachers CRAZY Carolyn Foote: lol, stephanie, yes JaniceStearns: I don't think you can change your text color Susanvg: No the 2nd voice is gone - but it comes on from time to time Vinnie Vrotny: had a great speaker, leonard sax who worte a book, gender matters, which answers why boys are attracted to gaming, it fits their visual cortex Lisa M Lane: Stephanie, 99% of the folks I know would have thrown in the towel 15 min ago Neil Winton: For Games based learning check out the 'Consolarium' at http://tinyurl.com/2tmsjt mrsdurff: Flahmeeting is fun too Cathy Nelson in SC: not surrised VV BrianC Smith: I'm a proponent of gaming, but balance is so important AnneV: Something wrong with my kids, they don't like gaming Stephanie Sandifer: LOL Lisa! Ditto! Vinnie Vrotny: everthing in moderation Cathy Nelson in SC: mine LOVE it, computers, social nw, and more John: Have any of you really watched kids play online video games? DeeM: How does all this fit with special needs kids liz davis: I'm having a hard time - but this is my first time doing this. Lisa M Lane: I think the attendance here makes it obvious we all need to meet more! liz davis: Maybe it takes experience Magi: I haev, John. liz davis: like everything else barbara.barreda: I play them with my adult kids Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes, balance and being well rounded are good things to talk about. david mentioned this in the keynote too! Cathy Nelson in SC: iv watched my boys, 19 &17 BradMDav: ys I have- it's really amazing to watch them cheryloakes: Dee this engages, them using tools to help them organize and communicate AmyKenyon: Dee, my son is autistic and LOVES computer games Cathy Nelson in SC: and their friends too BradMDav: I have played as well BrianC Smith: Mission Accomplished. Right? JaniceStearns: It's fun to watch my son play Halo 3. Just what David is talking about John: After heariing Warlick last year, I saw my son playing in a whole new light. Magi: A lot of the ED students I've worked with are video game addicts. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): parents seem to get concerned whenever kids spend a LOT of time on one thing, get overly focused Magi: So are a lot of my students with autism. Clay Burell: I'm TOTALLY unbalanced, but I love it (though I need to exercise more than my mouse-finger) BradMDav: amazing environment Lisa M Lane: Does anyone in this room *really* understand *balance*??? Neil Winton: Part of the skill with games comes from getting the pupils to move from being players to creators... Christine Southard: @ Magi took the words out of my mouth Stephanie Sandifer: Amy -- I taught a student who had Asberger's -- and he just blossomed in my computer graphics and animation class... it really transformed him socially Moderator (Wesley Fryer): i sure need more physical exercise! Carolyn Foote: at least the WI causes them to move around Kristin Hokanson: not all kids are well rounded .... Carolyn Foote: Wii JoseR: What is F2F when you have video, sound and text? BrianC Smith: I try. Lisa M Lane: Wesley, they have treadmills with computers built in to the front now. Magi: We had some success with getting them to participate in gym class by using DDR. AmyKenyon: My son now has his own communication device (computer) Cathy Nelson in SC: good point joseR Joselyn Todd: I think we need to help kids with balance... it doesn't always come naturally John Blake: @Carolyn, Wii rocks! Kristin Hokanson: and what about the parents that aren't invested Christine Southard: Some games are more appropriate for our students than others Clay Burell: GPS cellphones for kinesthetic learning activities. read about that lately. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): i think "digital discipline" is a good term in this context. we all need it. balance fits in there too. Carolyn Foote: Magi--DDR is a blast Brandon Lutz: I think you need ot provide opportunities for children to get out and experience life... BrianC Smith: Yes! Conversation good. Yelling bad. Lisa M Lane: I really don't think we're good examples of balance. Cathy Nelson in SC: my son has frineds in TX, SC, FL< and Chicago to lay alog Marie Coleman: I think we all strive to have some "grounding" with the flexibility to fly a bit (or more)! adam kti: lol @ brandon Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yep, too many people are SCARED today Magi: One of the things the kids loved best was that I was so clumsy I often fell over when I tried to join them. Christine Southard: I loved video games when I was younger Patrick Higgins: this is the essence of transparency BrianC Smith: Banning bad. PeggyG: Heard a discussion on ReadingTeacher this week where they said balanced doesn't mean equal time for everything (as in balanced literacy). Carolyn Foote: Yes, WES Carolyn Foote: the fear thing Susanvg: The parents are scared - whether it's the Internet or video games tina: great point, david!!! Cathy Nelson in SC: david's son sounds just like both of mine Carolyn Foote: Our society is so overprotective Lisa M Lane: Um, we had pong when I was a kid. Brandon Lutz: take them to the zoo, art museum, hikes, bike riding...give them balance Linda Nitsche: So we need to get the parents involved in all of this bobsprankle: right Patrick Higgins: invite them in tina: adults scare much easier too Cathy Nelson in SC: i ven got a txt mess sat from a girl he met in Mex looking for him BradMDav: the whiteboard is hard to read BrianC Smith: Thanks David! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes brandon, lots of experiences are key mrsdurff: ours are and it was someone else that did that...now i have that to overcome... cheryloakes: right David include parents in the conversations JoseR: Kids will take the bull from the horns. We just have to let the bull go. demetri: How about scaring the parents about how their children won't be competitive in the global/flat economy? AnneV: Fear of the unknown - I think I use technology more than my children do, but they're fairly young Christine Southard: Fess up... what video games did you play when you were younger? Vinnie Vrotny: if you ban it, kids never learn to balance their lives. We have to let them fail. That's where lessons are learned Linda Nitsche: They don't like to feel they they won't succeed briangrenier: We should take from this the desparate need to highlight the success stories and positive uses of Web2 in our classrooms BrianC Smith: Is there a tag for this Fireside? adam kti: brandon Stephanie Sandifer: @brandon I agree... I love this stuff, but I love getting out in nature and visiting museums, galleries, etc. jsut as much BradMDav: the whiteboard is hard to read Cathy Nelson in SC: how do we bring down the walled garden at school? DeeM: first video game I played was zork Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): Frank.. you are next bobsprankle: lol greggl: whiteboard mania Susanvg: That's a big one Cathy Nelson AnneV: I just set my son up with his first wiki...going to see if his enrichment teacher will let him write there LisaParisi: Dee, mine was pong. cheryloakes: i hope so AnneV Magi: I didn't really play video games when I was younger... I did a few of the role playing games like Zork, Myst, Wishbringer... Cathy Nelson in SC: its my biggest dilemma at school alicebarr: Great question Wes! Lisa M Lane: Stephanie, I guess that's different than just taking the laptop outside, huh? Lee Baber: My girls in comptech love to create games Lee Baber: video games AnneV: Why did pong fascinate us so? Linda Nitsche: I would let him Lisa M Lane: LisaP, pong, then Missile Command. Lee Baber: also 3d demetri: can u repeat the question? Stephanie Sandifer: @lisa yes -- lol Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): Might need to change whitesceens Cathy Nelson in SC: yes its time sheryl LisaParisi: Anne...it was the only game out there Magi: I did some Pacman stuff, and Asteroids... JoseR: Means to and the means itself Lisa M Lane: Pong was mesmerizing. Stephanie Sandifer: @lisa ... but I have had my moments when I DID take my laptop outside to work on my deck in the backyard! Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): see it barbara.barreda: not just students but we need to process large quanities of info Lisa M Lane: @Stephanie, yeah, but it's dangerous on a bicycle. Stephanie Sandifer: LOL! dianemc: do we need a new curriculum for teachers? Cathy Nelson in SC: social!!! Magi: I thinks we might, Diane. Carolyn Foote: tasks in order to help students with making connections? Christine Southard: We love flattening our classroom Diana Laufenberg: @dianemc yes.... yes we do Magi: At least when it comes to technology integration. Cathy Nelson in SC: more global proj Christine Southard: We skyped New Zealand today Lisa M Lane: I work at a really well-funded college and very few faculty get this at all. Diana Laufenberg: I think the best advice is to throw out the textbooks Joselyn Todd: yes, a new entrance test for teachers...wilingness to learn and adapt.. Cathy Nelson in SC: wow christine Stephanie Sandifer: @diane We need a new curriculum period -- for everyone! Clay Burell: I'm launching a year-long classroom blogging unit (major overhaul from last year) - key elements: they claim their blogs on Technorati, they link to at least one blogger from the real world that they admire, they blog about what THEY're interested in (within limits), and their goal is to grow readership network and extend self-directed learning. Marie Coleman: how about interdisciplinary in nature Magi: I still see way too many teachers thinking integration is focusing on the technoogy instead of the content... Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): ahahahaha Cathy Nelson in SC: lol Moderator (Wesley Fryer): sorry bobsprankle: LOL PeggyG: HAHAHA Moderator (Wesley Fryer): Carolyn Foote: lol, wes Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): lol Cheri Toledo (drctedd): lol Christine Southard: lol AnneV: I rather think we just need them to learn to communicate however -> write, visualize, speak... Vian Oklahoma: hahahaha Cathy Nelson in SC: way to go wes dianemc: if only we had time to learn with the kids - partners John: I actually try to model behavior. Today I had an online PD session. Suzie Vesper: Christine - I hope you had a good time chatting to people at our end here in NZ Magi: And also teachers who think that using PowerPoint and an LCD projector is tech integration. Cathy Nelson in SC: i propose we take away all desks Moderator (Wesley Fryer): i didn't mean to stump you david! Lisa M Lane: Magi -- yes! Carolyn Foote: needs to be relevant to them, yes bobsprankle: i like that, cathy Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes, relevancy is key- background knowledge building Magi: But, I'm not sure how much of that is all the fault of the teachers... Carolyn Foote: they need to learn by finding it themselves Marie Coleman: discovering and creating Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): passion based learning Linda Nitsche: Relevance - passion and audience Moderator (Wesley Fryer): REAL experiences are key dianemc: it's exciting - but scary- without walls! John: Magi you are right. Magi: A lot of our colleges still teach in this method, so our K-12 teachers are emulating what they see in their classes. JoseR: So, it shouldn't be boring Carolyn Foote: relevant, find it themselves, create Cathy Nelson in SC: open classroom concept in a virtal sense AmyKenyon: my 3rd graders need their desks-but maye that would work for high school BrianC Smith: Yes Sheryl! Joselyn Todd: Its also liberating wthout walls Stephanie Sandifer: I think some of that is the fault of the curriculum developers... our state curriculum is way too wide -- and this limits teachers' ability to teach deeper Marie Coleman: Modeling is also key -how often do you find presenters doing exactly the opposite of what they preach dianemc: where do we find the time to "create"? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): tie learning to their interests and they will be engaged LisaParisi: Yes, yes, yes, and the world wide audience gives the project value. BrianC Smith: Finding a passion through school. Magi: I'm finishing a degree in assistive technology, and I signed up for a lab class this semester that has no lab... its all lecture. Cheri Toledo (drctedd): It seems that any time you get a group of educators together you end up with lists and hierarchies - we need to move toward a holistic look at educating, educators, educatees Steve Dembo: It's easy to agree with the ideas, but what do you do differently on Monday? Carolyn Foote: it's because librarians don't get enough partnership with teachers!! Cathy Nelson in SC: and u just might get brave enoought to try something different Kristin Hokanson: BUILDING SOMETHING WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE...KEY, but what about those kids that can't FIND their passions in school Magi: most of the lectuure PowerPoiints are 50+ pages long... Diana Laufenberg: I think that teachers need to get out of the school building with their students... have outdoor and 'in the real world' experiences Joselyn Todd: Web 2.0 teaching model: Show one, Do one, Teach One Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): nod to Darren Carolyn Foote: Librarians know a lot about information literacy but rarely get asked! Laura Deisley-USA: Gardner apparently does lecture only in his grad school classes...hmmm.... arthus: I got dropped LisaParisi: @Steve...changes occur every day..one step at a time BrianC Smith: However, that makes state standards a major hurdle Marie Coleman: creating replaces the lecture and to some extent the textbook Kristin Hokanson: how do you meet "OBJECTIVES" of course with student values? Moderator (Wesley Fryer): so accessing global information in overwhelming quantities, but publishing it in the context of personal audiences? Magi: And so we're not teaching the students in the teacher cert classes how to actually use technology. JoseR: so the teacher becomes the affective filter Lisa M Lane: @Joselyn -- a good plan! Carolyn Foote: wondering how teachers can learn to collaborate more? Cheri Toledo (drctedd): Why can't we be learning with our students - why them or me first tyring things? Stephanie Sandifer: Okay -- who is going to analyze and synthsize this chat!? Christine Southard: Thunder in NY - Oh no dianemc: my blog is my lifeline to a PD community - that's my learning vehicle Cathy Nelson in SC: they must first give up control, paper, and pencil BrianC Smith: I vote for Stephanie Lisa M Lane: @Cheri, good question, but most don't get that idea Suzie Vesper: Too often we do the thinking for students to minimise failure and frustration - I agree here. Magi: Diane: YES! Susanvg: The teacher is the model - not the information giver BrianC Smith: LOL Stephanie Sandifer: lol thanks, Brian! JoseR: break the pencil Marie Coleman: @ stephanie: that's a blog post Cathy Nelson in SC: cla-clap Joselyn Todd: One can't innovate with learning pedogogy without minimal tool command Magi: For years, I really felt like I was the only teacher out there that thought using technology, but also making things functional for my students was important. DianeHammond: I'm finding that it's really tough to move students beyond the "consume and remix" stage in information processing. They love the creative aspect of playing with the tools, but to many the tools are more important than the message. I'd like students to take the time to "digest" the info and build it into an existing framework, or better yet, make a case for revamping the framework - then creatively communicate the learning. Midge Frazel: That's great since you've been awake since 4:40 AM Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): Next Frank.. I promise John: Today, using WizIQ was one of the most sucessful Web 2.0 I have done to date. Cathy Nelson in SC: wow John Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): ahh you are that John! BrianC Smith: LOTS Patrick Higgins: love wiziq bobsprankle: wow... Carolyn Foote: Dianehammond--slow them down with tools like storyboarding and writing dianemc: will there be a summary/wiki/whatever of all this? Stephanie Sandifer: 110 -- wow! Carolyn Foote: to get them to reflect Lisa M Lane: @Diane, "consume and remix" is exactly it, how to move beyond that? Christine Southard: We like podcasting Carolyn Foote: process writing JoseR: let's Juice the students Stephanie Sandifer: Hey -- can we get a quick roll call of where everyone is from? Steve Dembo: THANK YOU DARREN Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): WE are going to call on hands raised next Marie Coleman: we are a minority Patrick Higgins: New Jersey Cathy Nelson in SC: not near enough reflective practice by either teachers or students Christine Southard: New YOrk Diana Laufenberg: Flagstaff, AZ Magi: But, since I've been learning about Web 2.0, I am finding a whole lot of teachers who believe the way I do. Kristin Hokanson: because most folks don't knwo this is possible Joselyn Todd: North Carolina Stephanie Sandifer: Houston, TX, USA Steve Dembo: This chat = Choir Carolyn Foote: Austin, Tx Moderator (Wesley Fryer): begin with the conversations you can have, with those around you in your sphere of influence chris.betcher: Sydney, Australia Magi: Northern VA. jeff whipple: aVERY small minority... Jim D: Gotta have the head honchos on board or it ain't gonna happen! Dave (ESLetc.com): Zhangjiajie, Hunan, China dianemc: Diane Cordell, Queensbury, NY KimVance: Cincinnati, OH JoseR: so are most virusus DianeHammond: Agreed Carolyn. We need to skillfully craft the tasks we assign them. Lisa M Lane: San Diego, CA Christine Southard: Some teachers are too scared to participate in Web 2.0 AnneV: How many of us learn this stuff by accident? Magi: I did, Anne... Midge Frazel: Bridgewater, MA Diana Laufenberg: @AnneV all of us Lisa M Lane: The head honchos will get on board only when many people get it. barbara.barreda: re: overload admins need to use tech to simplify some tasks for teachers to free up time : example no more lesson plan books we use google docs Moderator (Wesley Fryer): we need to focus on building these professional learning communities and inviting more people into them dianemc: not by accident, but haphadzardly Cathy Nelson in SC: its fn--a playground Marie Coleman: but a very powerful minority, too BrianC Smith: Hi Diane, Rochester, NY here! Lisa M Lane: everyone says the same thing: I don't have time to learn that! Lee Baber: I think we are led by our need for finding our own personal quest for knowledge Marie Coleman: we need to grab that power more jgarton: my learning has a new landscape arthus: frame thing is terms of money Magi: Christine: You're right, but I think that some of that fear comes from having to remove work they've done and/or gettin gin lots of trouble with administrators for doing it. Diana Laufenberg: I have seen teachers react to wikis very positively... easy to access... liz davis: I wish I could pause - like TiVo Stephanie Sandifer: I don't learn this by accident... it's purposeful... but I learn it by using it! dianemc: Brian, is it snowing there yet? Clay Burell: one problem is that teachers think of WRITING when they think of blogging, when it's actually open to EVERY intelligence and communication style - beyond text. Lisa Linn: Lisa Linn -San Diego Cheri Toledo (drctedd): we need to effect the teacher education programs arthus: the ways web 2.0 tools will help the budget Frank Miracola: There is soooo much to learn, for many the bigger issue for us tech folks is to filter what is there and offer the best of the best so time is not wasted. BrianC Smith: Nope. Soon. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): we do need to articulate a common agenda I think - david is right, storytelling is key, but finding more TIME for the conversations is key Carolyn Foote: our teachers tell me--they want us to introduce a tool, and they want time fo rHANDs ON practice and followup AnneV: I figure my job is to make it easy and attractive to the other teachers around me.. Marie Coleman: yes, @Clay, very true - multi dimensional Linda Nitsche: @ liz davis- totally in agreement! BrianC Smith: find one goal and identify tools to meet that goal (if necessary) Carolyn Foote: 3 components of new story Suzie Vesper: This is my big problem as a facilitator - people tend to think that they won't be able to cope with technology AnneV: ...it's just that the "around me" part seems to be expanding oddly Carolyn Foote: 1. connect to marketplace Cathy Nelson in SC: yes carolyn they want me to lead it, them to follow right along w/ their kids Susanvg: Learn - by doing - When others see the need they'll start using the tools and changing their approaches Magi: Again, Carolyn, you're right... Without that time to collaborate and use the tool, most teachers don't have time to do it. dianemc: Our district PD takes place in isolation - not follow-up, you're on your own! Cathy Nelson in SC: i like to turn them loose and see what happens! John: AnneV if you are a tech integrationist, how do you do that that is non threating? Jim D: Can't use it if it's blocked! cheryloakes: Clay, really good plan, what grade level? Stephanie Sandifer: One of our special ed teachers was with me today at that dreadful training and we were talkiing about teaching practice... she said she was frustrated that teachers couldn't understand how great blogging could be for engaging students in reading and writing... I HUGGED HER! Lisa Linn: my AV name is Clare Lane! dianemc: sadly, sometimes not much happens! Lisa Linn: Oceanside Linda Nitsche: The key is finding a way to have them share in it with you - not you lead Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes, i think asking teachers to reflect and share ideas during/following PD is a good idea mrsdurff: long tails....talk about the long tail again Kristin Hokanson: but MOST TEACHERS< PARENTS DON"T KNOW THIS EXISTS in their kids's worlds DeeM: I see teachers moving forward but not nearly fast enough Carolyn Foote: Great Stephanie Cathy Nelson in SC: yesi like to remind teachers Kristin Hokanson: I am amazed at the # of my friends with jr high & hs kids that have NO CLUE Cathy Nelson in SC: the kids will be leading tomorrow Carolyn Foote: yes, Dee..it's incremental instead of a leap Cathy Nelson in SC: with all there toys Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): new screen darren? Christine Southard: I have been trying to convince my bf to use blogging with her self-contained students Lisa M Lane: Maybe I need to host a workshop for teachers where they just PLAY. AnneV: gosh, I'm so non-threatening, I bounce into friendly rooms and show them a small taste and the I just listen really hard Lisa Linn: @Lisa M. Lane Me: In my experience I see where my colleagues who are not "Life Long Learners" are the most resistant You need to be able to take a leap of faith Lisa Linn: that's freaky weird Vinnie Vrotny: most teachers and parents dont care to learn about this Lisa Linn: the names and Oceanside Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes cathy f: incremental. small steps. 1 conversation @ a time Carolyn Foote: Lisa Lane...playing is good, but they want to walk away at the end with something "useable" too Marie Coleman: baby steps are ok (tho frustrating for me!) Lee Baber: I do no understand how we can restrict our students from cell phones and mp3s in class but expect them to learn how to use them to enhance their education John Blake: some issues everywhere- content filters are turning back the hands of time- computers are becoming "worksheets!" alicebarr: Vinny - right! Joselyn Todd: think BIG start small arthus: Will is ustreaming at 8:00 EST dianemc: usable and gradable! liz davis: we have to be so careful about seeming arrogant about all of this AnneV: then we work until the "application" is successful and then it spreads John: I was thinking, the Army had to go through a similar thing from the 1970's to 1980's BrianC Smith: Right Vinnie, how do you get them to best see the value in the tools? Steve Dembo: To introduce someone to Web2.0, you used to have people start a blog. Would you even reccomend someone start their own blog nowadays? If not, where would you start someone new? AnneV: That is the ultra-simple answer Linda Nitsche: Heck, my husband doesn't care to learn dianemc: if i can teach myself, anyone can Cathy Nelson in SC: a tchr freaked whn i told her class they had eerything they needed to post a video on youtube in their pocket Moderator (Wesley Fryer): i think our conversations need to focus on more basic ideas like LEARNING rather than just technology. but access to the technology DOES matter alicebarr: Have to WANT to learn new stuff! Lisa M Lane: @Carolyn, when I focus on something usable up front, they tell me they don't have time John: BTW, my son says hi to everyone. dianemc: if they would just give me the tools i need Christine Southard: Learning 4 ALL liz davis: We also have to respect the resistance Marie Coleman: @steve Dembo - wikis are the easiest intro to web 2.0 I think Moderator (Wesley Fryer): I like that: kids witnessing to their use of digital tools, ways education needs to change jgarton: my teachers expect me to teach them, lead them, not that they play and figure it out alone Vinnie Vrotny: you have to know what makes them tick, and find a solution that will help them, not help their teaching BrianC Smith: Dianemc, I agree, but how to inspire them and realize the need. Diana Laufenberg: I truly feel as though I am an evangelist... and get a lot of weird looks at times... Cathy Nelson in SC: learning for kids comes easy when it is with their toys Stephanie Sandifer: @wesley I agree -- good instruction is not dependent on specific tools Neil Winton: It's not the tech, it's the teach... Dave (ESLetc.com): @Steve Dembo - how about Ning.com as a place to start? JoseR: Having access does not guarantee learning Jim D: I'd say start a localized PLC using 2.0 tools to show teachers the potential Drew Ziobro: In order to teach the kids how to teach themselves. We need to learn how to teach ourselves. Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Thanks David! Cathy Nelson in SC: teaches strugle with the toys Christine Southard: Special Education Teachers can successfully use web 2.0 tools in the classroom Moderator (Wesley Fryer): technology CAN be a powerful amplifier Lee Baber: Slow this ship down! I can't read everything Christine Southard: Welcome Frank John Howell: I have found one megaphone Lee Baber: no don't Jim D: YEAH Frank- representin MI Cathy Nelson in SC: learning has to be engaging dianemc: mention delicious at a staff meeting - they thought I was talking about a porn site! Suzie Vesper: Time is always the reason given for not getting onto all of these things but there are always some that will find it Christine Southard: LOL Vinnie Vrotny: once they see the advantage for them, they can beging to apply it to the group. Look, one of my teachers, amykenyon is here. one year ago, she wouldn't have been. BrianC Smith: LOL @dianemc Moderator (Wesley Fryer): i am with you lee. we are moving at the speed of creativity here for sure! Marie Coleman: @dianemc LOL BrianC Smith: Sounds like NY AnneV: Try the view menu "Wide Layout" command Clay Burell: That's why I want to start a student edublogosphere to MELD with ours - "give them the megaphone." (We're getting there in leaps in the past couple of weeks - anybody interested?) Steve Dembo: @Wes *groans* Me: My students are getting very excited with their Global Explorers project and they are wanting it move along faster They want more and they are begging for more John Howell: one megaphone is using a discussion board where students post their own questions and then work together to find the answers and come back and share out how they found the info. jeff whipple: so glad I have NOTHING to do with NCLB... Christine Southard: Sound? Diana Laufenberg: there will never be enough time, let that go... but it is important enough to move it to the top of the priority list... I think so Lee Baber: haha.. wes..so true ..and ain't it true LisaParisi: no sound John: Learning has to be engaging but teachers need to understand what is engaging to students. John Blake: very high order think is required Vinnie Vrotny: work is slow, but remember that the grand canyon was cut by individual drops of water Clay Burell: SO glad I don't teach in the US Public School system. BrianC Smith: Take 1 Pamela Livingston 2: Reminds me of my favorite phrase when in France - moins vites! Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Excellent! BrianC Smith: Take 2 Christine Southard: Hear ya now Frank Miracola: yes Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): yes Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): You're coming though loiud and clear now. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes we can hear you Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Joselyn Todd: Measuring new skills with old tools is rather futile dianemc: a retired teacher who subs ranted about "weaopedia"...meant Wikipedia Stephanie Sandifer: I love that the revised Bloom's Taxonomy includes "Creating" as the highest level now Pat: This is all new to me Lee, so I can feel your "pain" LOL LisaParisi: The skills are the same...just method of expression is different Cheri Toledo (drctedd): @Stephanie - too few people are aware of the new Bloom's - spread the word mrsdurff: and so do the learners Lee Baber: I believe in dreams... because they come true ... especially in my classroom! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): Clay: We all face different challenges in our contexts, but i like to think we have different opportunities as well... int'l school teaching is definitely different in many ways Christine Southard: Create = Project Based Joselyn Todd: I agree, David, teaching is oneof the best ways of evaluation... Cathy Nelson in SC: ive been preaching that too BrianC Smith: Students as teachers!!! Yes! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes, student PARTICIPATION is key Pamela Livingston 2: What I like about Twitter: with Twitterific it comes to me - push technology don't have to find it Kristin Hokanson: finding more TIME for the conversations is key YES...but finding the TIME In the CURRENT MODEL... 8-3, 3 months off...is it possible??? AnneV: Did you see the article where they are trying to ascribe the higher IQ of elder siblings to the fact that they teach the younger ones? Joselyn Todd: Hard to teach what you don't know Cathy Nelson in SC: authetic engagement key Cheri Toledo (drctedd): Create = process based Stephanie Sandifer: I always remind our teachers that our state (Texas) defines "effective teaching" as: Are the students learning? -- Notice... it says nothing about what the teacher is doing dianemc: if i can't understand my own assignment...neither can the kids AnneV: Kristin, do you have block scheduling? Lee Baber: Our kids each are creating their own curriculum this year using new media John Howell: gotta go... kids are ready for bed... Goodnight everyone BrianC Smith: AnneV... interesting. JoseR: goodnight Vinnie Vrotny: goodnight john Marie Coleman: @Christine - even better go for PROBLEM based learning Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Nite JOhn. Christine Southard: Why are the state tests project based unless you're getting an alternate assessment? Cathy Nelson in SC: shhh John Blake: opps Clay Burell: @Wes: Just reading your posts and others about filtering in US schools, about high-stakes testing - seems like madness. BrianC Smith: bye john DeeM: nite John Pamela Livingston 2: What kids express to other kids = metacognition Moderator (Wesley Fryer): there is a great TED talk about a Rice University project on collaborative textbook writing and sharing John Blake: who is that? Christine Southard: Why aren't Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Which TED talk Wes? bknittle: Tech is just a tool to meet a need. I focus on what the learning objective is and what tools meet the need. I find if you keep the focus on learning needs more teachers are willing to try new things Pamela Livingston 2: Elephant in room of school: it's boring dianemc: no gravity - wrinkle removal? Lee Baber: I want great ways to assess all my new methods of teaching! Stephanie Sandifer: good point bknittle -- I find that with alot of teachers as well Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @clay: yes, it is crazy. and it's hard to not get really frustrated... even depressed at how pervasive the anti-expression culture is Me: @Lee let me know aht they are and send them my way Frank Miracola: Great to hear that testing may change. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): let me find the link darren Lisa M Lane: @Stephanie, some of the focus on learning seems a bit backwards to me. Magi: Maryland's state test used to have a "group work" requirement where a team worked to solve a problem. Susanvg: need to learn to ask questions - not just give answers Cathy Nelson in SC: Pam that is SO TRUE BrianC Smith: I was bored at my stepsons open house. Magi: they then had to write an answer to tell why they thought their solution would work. Stephanie Sandifer: @Pamela yes -- ask ANY student in your school and I bet all of them will say school is boring at some time or another AnneV: Magi, why did they drop it? dianemc: EQs are required in ourLPs now Cathy Nelson in SC: i can't stand to see a glazed look on 90% of the kids Magi: It didn't meet requirements for NCLB testing. Cheri Toledo (drctedd): @Wes - here's the URL for the open source text talk from TED by Baraniuk: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/25 Pamela Livingston 2: Seymour Papert said learning should be hard fun - engaging but challenging mrsdurff: i wish my admin would get that message John: I am sure it has been said but teachers need to use technology to enhance a lesson, not use technology for the sake of using technology. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): Talks Richard Baraniuk: Goodbye, textbooks; hello, open-source learning Cathy Nelson in SC: not measurable by NCLB standards Moderator (Wesley Fryer): http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/25 Jim D: Can wes, sheryl, david, will, and the other "big thinkers" put their heads together to give us a "blueprint" for how to get started? Step by step, kind of like a recipe?? robin ellis: yes Frank Miracola: THANKS DAVID! Your answer gives me hope. dianemc: right: content first Diana Laufenberg: two rules in my classroom... we don't do boring and not to suck the joy/excitement out of the kids Laura Deisley-USA: I think someone in this group tagged this site...student centered, project based, collaborative learning...http://www.ethanbodnar.com/ Stephanie Sandifer: @Jim I don't know if there is any one one-size-fits-all recipe Cathy Nelson in SC: COOL Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): I thought the Baraniuk talk picked up on a lot of Alan Levines ideas. Moderator (David Warlick): this is going to be tough! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @jim I like the recipie analogy... i would love to work on that, but i think we all can do "big thinking" like this.... cheryloakes: get ready david bobsprankle: yeah arthus! Doug Symington: have to run--thanks David and all, this has been fantastic! Cathy Nelson in SC: congrats Me: @Sheryl when will chat log and audio be available? Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Very cool Arthus ... Lee Baber: my power is going away Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Welcome! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @jim that would be a good project to be working on in the k12 wiki Moderator (Wesley Fryer): recipies for constructive disruption Lee Baber: where in the world is my solar powered battery? Christine Southard: Welcome Arthus Greg: I'm not so sure that students are experts BrianC Smith: Lots of respect for Arthus. cheryloakes: great question arthus Vinnie Vrotny: have to got pick up my daughter as well. see you all at the conference John Blake: podcasting works when you have kids like that DianeHammond: directors of learning - yes! BrianC Smith: What is an expert? jeff whipple: I use the term "learning leader" and not teacher anymore... Lee Baber: facilitators Magi: A drip under pressue, BrianC. Greg: good question brian arthus: thanks folks Clay Burell: coaches Moderator (Wesley Fryer): maybe we should have an entire student strand in K12online08? Lee Baber: yes Nancy Scofield: cool idea, wes dianemc: asking questions with no answers arthus: thanks Sheryl for letting me talk Pamela Livingston 2: Like that term, Jeff. Will Richardson says Chief Learner I think mrsdurff: graet questuion arthus! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): we need to listen to the student voices more Lee Baber: my kids would definately join in that Magi: I like that idea... sylvia: great idea, wes Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): sorry chris and Vian cheryloakes: oh, great idea Wes, student strand!!!! Joselyn Todd: I like the idea of getting kids involved in the conversation, Wes tina: maybe they could lead some parts of it!!! Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): I mean Apul Neil Winton: Teachers are moving towards being mentors... a profound shift. Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): Paul Lee Baber: they are learning to be such good little webcasters! Pam: that's a great idea bobsprankle: right on! Moderator (Wesley Fryer): good question arthus, thanks so much for joining us and participating!! Steve Dembo: Shouldn't the classroom of TODAY respect the learner and the teacher??? Pamela Livingston 2: Teachers need to model their own ZPD Greg: agreed wesley cmatzat: student strand would be great - my 12 year old son is here with my listening to this session, and is very interested Christine Southard: There are some teachers who don't want you to know that they're not experts in everything (like technology) Cathy Nelson in SC: remove the sage on the stage Pamela Livingston 2: Zone of proximal development - that learning is hard and takes time John: Good job Arthus JoseR: from life-long to master learner. arthus: Thanks John Lee Baber: I have a few learning Drupal! I am proposing to the d.c. group that they start a youth drupal group! bobsprankle: dianemc: the kids like my willingness to explore in my old age! Patrick Higgins: learn "socially" liz davis: learning anything new requires letting go of competence arthus: master learner... very interesting Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @stevedembo: yes absolutely, learners of all types should be respected Me: My students are taking great control of their project They know what they expect from themselves and they are not willing to settle for less Cathy Nelson in SC: mine to dianm Patrick Higgins: I llike master learner Martha: Arthus, certainly students can be key in moving the integration forward. Especially, if students are able to model their thinking for the teacher so that teachers can see how students today, process and think. Pamela Livingston 2: Yes, liz, letting go of competence - hard for adults briangrenier: Is anyone else picking up background audio? Nancy Scofield: what a relief--we don't have to know everything! Lee Baber: ywes liz davis: People have an innate fear of incompetence Lee Baber: yes.. Cathy Nelson in SC: i was asked do I ever slee yesterday Stephanie Sandifer: I have this burning desire to give kids a copy of the state curriculum and ask tehm "How would you learn this if there wasn't a teacher in the classroom?"... then let THEM design that kind of learning environment (but include teachers as facilitators and learning coaches) Cathy Nelson in SC: i just said i dont watch tv Magi: You too, Cathy? Lisa M Lane: @Stephanie, that's a GREAT idea BrianC Smith: Love Maine, shout out to BobS! mrsdurff: i'm not a master learner just a professional student John Blake: @arthus my students never use email- is it out of style? Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @stephanie s: that is a great idea. you should do it! Cathy Nelson in SC: excpt the sorts channels that are forced from the family Magi: I had several other special education teachers upset with me because of what I do in my classroom. Cathy Nelson in SC: sports Pamela Livingston 2: To be comfortable when you don't know yet arthus: John: not instant enough Patrick Higgins: Stephanie: great idea. what would happen if you did it. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): we all know when students become the teachers, their learning and transfer goes way up cheryloakes: @ John Blake, when I talk to kids I go Facebook them. bknittle: maybe we need administrators who are not afraid to make mistakes Cathy Nelson in SC: very much wes Stephanie Sandifer: @Wesley -- yes I'm SURE the State of Texas will let me... Christine Southard: I'm a professional involved in a Guided Discovery of life mrsdurff: they do now - cellphones Lee Baber: @Stephanie.. I have proposed that very idea to my kids for this years CompLit curriculum Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @stephanie: Magi: They said that it wasn't possible with kids with more severe disabilities, that my kids were really high-functioning, and that by doing all this work (without a formal prep period) I was setting a bad exmaple. Stephanie Sandifer: of course... I could I always use the idea for a charter school Linda Nitsche: Pay attention and know your learners bknittle: in my district they want training seperate from teachers i think because they are afratid to make mistakes in front of teachers Patrick Higgins: We need to bring steph's idea to Educon Christine Southard: @ Magi... I'm proud of you Linda Nitsche: Absolutely @ patrick BrianC Smith: Don't teach what they all ready know or what they can figure out on their own using these tools. liz davis: Carol Dweck would call that a fixed mindset Patrick Higgins: "here's what you need to learn. How do you do it?" Dave MacLean: become the guide on the side, not the sage on the stage John Blake: @arthus- that is what they tell me! our school has a ban on cell phones Lee Baber: They can write it, video it, record podcasts of it, publish movies, share, network, blog, map..and I will exempt them from the tests as they "show" me they know the content enough to share it well. liz davis: Where failure is avoided at all costs Moderator (Wesley Fryer): hear hear! more talk about digital citizenship JoseR: Well put Kristin Hokanson: it think the NETS-T refresh will be INTERESTING!!!! Nancy Scofield: accountability! Jim D: I'd like to get our county supts. to experience 2.0 tools. show them the potential Cathy Nelson in SC: we do too--as i see tchrs walking around with teir bluetooth earpiece Magi: So true, Lee... cheryloakes: life long learners and digital citizens GeorgiaConstanti: I can't hear david because of someone. Moderator (David Warlick): I love your accent! mrsdurff: love that accent Stephanie Sandifer: @Lee I actually did do it on a small scale this year in the Senior Research Methods class that I am co-teaching... we told the kids what they needed to accomplish by the end of the year and then we used CFG protocols to guide the students through developing the syllabus and class calendar for their own learning... it was fun, cool, and VERY effective... Cathy Nelson in SC: georgia are you simultaneously streaming will getting ready? Magi: If my students can complete a proejct that involves the content from the unit we just did, they've shown me a lot more than they can on a test! BrianC Smith: Sweet isn't it? Chris is excellent!!! Lisa M Lane: @Lee --that's great! Patrick Higgins: Let's get them talking about their learning Moderator (Wesley Fryer): David, you may have the accent! bobsprankle: lol Stephanie Sandifer: lol Lee Baber: If my power goes away on this laptop (i have no pwer adaptor tonight) Thanks for a great session. Lisa M Lane: LOL Christine Southard: LOL BrianC Smith: LOL Nancy Scofield: ha! Christine Southard: That was great mrsdurff: we are! John Blake: OUCH! John: lol LisaParisi: mic Cathy Nelson in SC: smile Nancy Scofield: iPhone? cheryloakes: nice David Christine Southard: I would so do that to my dad BrianC Smith: Grab the mic bobsprankle: david has an iphone! Lee Baber: I'll take two! Magi: I do assign the projects to them... but the projects are pretty open ended, and for some of the projects, they can make choices. Stephanie Sandifer: lol Steve Dembo: Wonder how much Apple payed him for the product placement Steve Dembo: *grins* Cathy Nelson in SC: lol Moderator (Wesley Fryer): i like the idea that analog teachers need to acquire a digital accent in the ways they communicate John: lol Stephanie Sandifer: if I open up will's ustream... will my computer go on strike? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): WE WILL BE CLOSING THIS SESSION IN A FEW MINUTES John Blake: he probably pays them wink wink Lisa Linn: why would anyone be surprised that David has an iPhone??? John: Which price did he pay? Joselyn Todd: It is great to be in the room with so many great learners BrianC Smith: That an after hours with Will R? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): THIS IS THE LAST Q/RESPONSE AS IT IS 8PM Lisa M Lane: Wow, that explains the whole thing -- never could work a digital watch. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): i need to get out my dad's old slide rule when i go home to kansas this weekend. and contrast to the iphone! Steve Dembo: Awwww.... liz davis: I have a headache now, but I've had a great time liz davis: Thanks everyone Magi: Hmm. Wes, I like that. My friends who are Deaf and fluent in ASL tell me that I "sign with a Hearing accent" all the time, and this is the same thing: communication. dianemc: all participants should have them...to spread the gospel John Blake: is it an iPhone or a Touch? jgarton: link to wills stream, anyone? Steve Dembo: It takes me longer to formulate my question... Stephanie Sandifer: this had been great -- wonderful discussions! arthus: http://ustream.tv/channel/weblogg-ed-tv Cathy Nelson in SC: great conversations--made up for no twitter today AnneV: Thanks all - off to skype my niece and nephew! jgarton: thanks arthus mrsdurff: already on arthus? Martha: Professional Development from students to adults could fix it but sometimes when the adult is a mom or dad, it might be best to not share the information, in order to inherit a great tool, and they have not mastered. But the ideal is share the knowledge. arthus: signing into Will's Moderator (Wesley Fryer): i think the idea of starting a "recipies for learning" wiki is a GREAT one that has come out of the chat Cathy Nelson in SC: they dont think of them as tech John Blake: Lord Twitter got blocked today- withdrawal!!! chris.betcher: thanks LisaParisi: my 12 year old daughter just showed me how to record on my phone this weekend Lee Baber: my kids had not clue what a typewriter was when I brought out an old manuel Cathy Nelson in SC: me too John AmyKenyon: thanks-maybe next time I'll do more than sit and listen DeeM: this has been great - thanks everyone! cheryloakes: Thanks to all the moderators, speaker and audience members! Lisa M Lane: Horizon Report says it isn't tech to them. Brenda Muench: yes but sometimes they still can't figure out how to do the basic things. sometimes students know how to do the cake stuff but not the basic stuff Joselyn Todd: Thanks to all- terrific... Lisa Linn: try the widget on an iGoogle page BrianC Smith: Warlick's a trooper! dianemc: bye all Cheri Toledo (drctedd): Great job Sheryl!! Lisa Linn: it's the only way I can get to anything in my school Moderator (Wesley Fryer): hi Paui! John Blake: I got my computer access blocked for 10 minutes before I could turn off Twitter! John: Cathy will you be at EdTech in a couple of weeks? cheryloakes: oh, john you are naughty Nancy Scofield: No Child Left Untested Cathy Nelson in SC: yes--ill be working Cathy Nelson in SC: im on the scaet committee Christine Southard: Kick the Child in the Behind John: I am sure I will see you there. CarolynMcCarthy: NTLB - Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes Paul you are so right. we don't need longer school years for the kids. we need more PD for the teachers!!!! dianemc: leave the testing behind Cathy Nelson in SC: twitter me--cathyjo Kristin Hokanson: WOW....interesting point....NETS-T will be refreshed this year.... Stephanie Sandifer: @wesley YES! Clay Burell: "going back in time" - Nice, Vian. JoseR: Sounds like a party platform; NTLB Lisa Linn: lets skype I'm: lisa.linn arthus: schools are the only things which haven't changed since the industrial revolution John: No child left behind, no teacher left standing Cathy Nelson in SC: john--last name? Kristin Hokanson: what will happen when teachers are held acountable Moderator (Wesley Fryer): maybe we should include twitter ids in the conference PD registration? Ståle Brokvam: When will NETS-T become available? John: Woodring Cathy Nelson in SC: ok Magi: We're already being held accountable, Kristin. Kristin Hokanson: but some states are not Magi Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @stle it is available now i think jgarton: this has been great. Thanks all. Can't wait to blog about this. on to will's stream then WOW2 total geek night Joselyn Todd: Computer use, especially 1:1, will generate economic growth in small communities.. JoseR: Some are given laptops and allow them to collect dust Magi: The problem is that we're being held accountable for things that we may not be the sole influence for. Martha: Arthus, you are right it is more like receiving hand me downs, except the items are rather appealing not your traditional hand me downs, like iPhone, lap top, iPod, etc. Linda Nitsche: You need an administrator who understands to hold teachers accountabble Nancy Scofield: An article in today's local paper: the superintendent is insisting that the teachers stop making handouts and use an OVERHEAD PROJECTOR so the kids can COPY the info. He seems to equate improving their penmanship with increased writing scores! I don't get it! bobsprankle: agreed! barbara.barreda: I gave them computers but some do not have internet at home Scott S. Floyd: we are working on recycling older machines with Edubuntu to give to students and teachers without tech at the house. Ståle Brokvam: Sorry, the refreshed NETS-T I meant - haven't seem them yet arthus: right John: My son says hello again Magi: I had a student fail the state test because his parents wouldn't allow us to video tape him performing activities. LisaParisi: Here, here arthus: it's a museum.. not a classroom JoseR: dinosaurs GeorgiaConstanti: I like the ununtu idea ... is it hard to set up? Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @stale i was thinking they had all been refershed cheryloakes: hi to john's son! bobsprankle: right on, arthus Nancy Scofield: well said, Arthus BrianC Smith: dianemc where do you work? Ståle Brokvam: Will check again. Thanks Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): EVERYONE SAY BYE TO DARREN Clay Burell: so administrators who hire faculty and evaluate them have to understand that "good 20th c teachers" are not doing their job, or else the cycle perpetuates Patrick Higgins: or we need to become admins ourselves John Blake: multi-tasking: Twitter/David/UstreamTV wow Susanvg: bye Darren Cathy Nelson in SC: bye Steve Dembo: Bye to Darren Nancy Scofield: amazing, David DianeHammond: The whole rest of the business world has adopted technology without whinging and/or opting out! Cathy Nelson in SC: gotta go myself arthus: thanks... not every class need be history Clay Burell: bye Darren - nice to meet John: Take care Cathy Me: Bye Darren Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Got to run folks. arthus: I plan to be in WIll's stream as soonas this is over John Blake: Will is still tinkering with his setup Joselyn Todd: Teachers hold more power than we know... DianeHammond: Bye Cathy! Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): This has been intoxicating. mrsdurff: or a measure of how much we chatter emapey: Great answer from David !! Scott S. Floyd: @GeorgiaConstanti - very simple. Search Miguel Guhlin's site for directions. So far, I only had to download Edubuntu, burn it to CD, and the rest takes care of itself on booting up. Nice and easy. Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Looking forward to our next live meet up. Moderator (Darren Kuropatwa): Cheers! Nancy Scofield: Bye Darren Christine Southard: g/g put Tori to bed Christine Southard: Check you later Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @joselyn I think students and parents have a lot of power too Moderator (Wesley Fryer): storytelling really is so key Scott S. Floyd: Looks a lot like a Windows machine, and it comes with lots of education software as well as Open Office. cheryloakes: thanks, and later. arthus: parents far more than students jeff whipple: crap...left AC charger at school... arthus: but by association students Joselyn Todd: Yes....its the combination of a learning community, Wes jeff whipple: battery at 5% JoseR: So if we are the choir, who is the preacher Moderator (Wesley Fryer): lisa linn: what is your question? Marie Coleman: the fly wheel is turning DianeHammond: See you at Wow2 Cheryl! Linda Nitsche: @jeff You need two laptops John: Great point David, but I think school officials are afraid to tell the community Nancy Scofield: David is a preacher! and Will, and so many others right here tonight. Joselyn Todd: I just see so many teachers feeling like pawns in the game instead of players on the board Moderator (Wesley Fryer): yes david is right: we need models, we need specifics, not a formula but some suggested recipies KimVance: Yes!! We need the models!! Marie Coleman: we also need to have various mechanisms for sharing these stories Patrick Higgins: This movement should come from the pawns. bobsprankle: Clay Burell: Clarence Fisher's "workshop" idea intrigues me in htis respect. mrsdurff: the point is that there is no model of learning arthus: Thanks David! John Blake: Hey Steve! Linda Nitsche: Yes - revolt of the proletariat John: some adminstrators are afraid to model Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): Halo3 scct? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): smile Patrick Higgins: Will revisit Stephanie's idea about giving the curriculum to the students. Moderator (Wesley Fryer): well lisa, i think there are models, but not a SINGLE model Pat: this was my first time here so thanks Joselyn Todd: Modeled Web 2.0 learning can come from anyone in a learning community Moderator (Wesley Fryer): differentiated pathways to learning, differentiated assessment methods Stephanie Sandifer: @patrick yay! mrsdurff: i disagree wes Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): LISA put your question on the whiteboard please Moderator (Wesley Fryer): info overload mrsdurff: a model is static Moderator (Wesley Fryer): ? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): we will see if David or others can answer on the conf blog Joselyn Todd: my newest quest has been having student created screencasts to teach concepts Moderator (Wesley Fryer): Yes Steve, we are going to a Balkanization of information. 10,000 channels of content Patrick Higgins: Goodbye all. Will read all about this tomorrow. Marie Coleman: but aren't we also teaching the 21st Cent skills to manipulate that content? JaniceStearns: I wish I Could stay. Have to go. This was wonderful! sylvia: the creation is part of the learning JaniceStearns: Thanks all of you! mrsdurff: bye janice Moderator (Wesley Fryer): we don't need to ask kids to turn in re-writes of encyclopedia articles anymore! JoseR: see you Janice mrsdurff: amen wes GeorgiaConstanti: creation is part of the learning - this way the learning is maintained. Lisa Linn: bravo Wes! Kristin Hokanson: or worse notebooks that show what they heard you say in your class Jim D: @David W-- buy a Wii! Joselyn Todd: Is content over - rated...I think so..it is radidy changing... Stephanie Sandifer: @wesley no kidding! ugh! John: I do play some video games with my son. Pamela Livingston 2: Ha Wes no regurgitation? Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): me too Scott S. Floyd: uh-oh, Wes. He can't play Legos. Maybe Alexander can help him out. mrsdurff: yes and there is no model for that Vian Oklahoma: I love Halo....and I'm 43 John: He kicks my butt in Wii Tennis arthus: let's hope we teach the same history.. Cheri Toledo (drctedd): reinventing the wheel -the end product isn't the point - it's all about the processes and experiences Joselyn Todd: Wii tennis- yeah Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @joselyn: I think we need DEEP explorations into content, not content dipping. content and expertise still are important, but so much expertise lies outside the classroom, on the network Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): John-- I love Wii great family event jean: My 18 yr old daughter is a level 70 mage in WoW Clay Burell: "The Wheel" is maybe a very bad metaphor, since wheels have one basic form. Web2.0 and learning open up INFINITE shapes. barbara.barreda: I want a wii for my office ...principals treat Moderator (Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach): man Jean.. that is awesome Moderator (Wesley Fryer): we just bought a Wii for Santa to bring for Christmas. I am so excited to play with it! John: I love the Wii, had to wait awhile for it. Joselyn Todd: wii controller could be used as an incredible learning tool Jim D: Mario Party 8 Wes! Steve Dembo: @clay valid point. But I do like the way Dave is addressing it. It's not recreating the wheel if you're working to change it and improve it. jean: Three kids & they All play Moderator (Wesley Fryer): you are right david: this event was impossible 10 years ago. so what we DO with our abilities to connect with each other can be very different from anything the world has ever seen. John: I think PSP's could be a great educational tool. mrsdurff: what are the essential skills we are all talking about? Aren't they communicating, collaborating, creating, connecting? Pamela Livingston 2: Great example of what kids can do: http://www.tellingstories.org JoseR: the 4C Lisa Linn: Someone is live over DAVID Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @mrsdurf: higher order thinking skills are certainly key mrsdurff: who? Martha: I really like the way you have narrowed the type of learning students should be exposed to in a classroom today. "Learning what they are suppose to learn". I completely agree. arthus: Some students can think: http://myfla.ws Moderator (Wesley Fryer): @lisalinn i heard that too Nancy Scofield: Amazing, David! Thank you!!!! John: Thanks David! Joselyn Todd: David, thank you...outstanding Marie Coleman: Thanks, David and all participants! arthus: Thanks David! Linda Nitsche: I think back to the writing of john Dewey, the progressive era of the 70's and know that the communication that we can now do globally will make a difference Sue L.: thank you! Jim D: See you November 1 at MCISD David W! Pamela Livingston 2: Hooray David thanks Magi: This was great. Thnk-you. Lisa Linn: Thanks David -fabulous! arthus: *applause* Lisa Linn: WOOT! Linda Nitsche: Thank you David Steve Dembo: *clap* Steve Dembo: *clap* Steve Dembo: *clap* chris.betcher: thanks mate. Pamela Livingston 2: David powns DianeHammond: Yay David!!! tina: *clap* KimVance: Thanks David! Pamela Livingston 2: Or pones not sure